Welcome to Table 12 of the ICT in Education Summit. Many thanks for joining us today.
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During the afternoon time will be of the essence as the programme moves along swiftly. With that in mind we would like to focus your comments on the following two points:
1. Having read the contents of the wiki, and heard from our speakers today, are there any ‘what do we need to do’ points that we’ve missed?
2. Are there any ‘how are we going to do it’ points missed?
Summary of Comments from the Discussion
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Comments on Trudi Sharp Introduction:
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Comments on Bill Maxwell Introduction:
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Comments on Michael Russell Keynote
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| Questions for Michael Russell (please include your name and work place)
An API for adding content to GLOW would be really beneficial - lots of great content out there already.
Not just 'adding content to GLOW' but to add content to a properly structured learning repository that can be accessed thriough a variety of ways. The NAR is an embyonic example of how it could be done.
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Comments on Ian Stuart Presentation
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Comments on Bruce Robertson Presentation
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General Comments on Objective One - Changing the Culture of ICT Use in Schools
Unrestricted access may appear to be desirable, but in a real world situation controls are required
A lot of the problems with connection capacity is not the Interconnect to the LA but the LA's own internal systems. Maybe money needs to be directed there to enable pt 1 of the 'How will we do this,'
With the condition that they actually spend it on the technology.
As part of the Cabibnet Secretary's wish to make Scotland's educational intranet more available I would endorse the final 'what we need to do' point about separating the school networks from LA networks. |
Comments on Steven Grier Presentation
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Comments on David Noble Presentation
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General Comments on Objective Two - Improving Confidence
The danger with this Objective is that the aim of education becomes 'to use ICT' and we forget it's actually about learning. Steven Grier didn't fall into this trap and gave some, albeit not very novel, examples of using ICT in the learning process.
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Comments on Gillian Penny Presentation
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Comments on Olivia Wexelstein Presentation
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| General Comments on Objective Three - Promoting New Behaviours
Promoting new behavious in teaching is very idealistic. But, despite the excellent aims of CfE, a secobndary teacher still has to get the kids through an exam, and will be judged on how well they perform in that very traditional form of assessment. If a teacher has methods and techniques that gets them through the exam there isn't much incentive to change.
So we need to change the exams - Denmark has exams where candidates can access the Internet.
With reference to the thrid 'what we need to do', I agree with the aim but the particular tool chosen to share pupil work and achievement must be one that is easy for most parents to use and at present I would suggest that excludes facfebook, Twitter etc. I have seen some excellent examples of commercial e-portfolios that allowed selective puiblishing, but the discussion now seems to be all about the so-called 'free' software tools.
I agree, and even question whether exams are the correct form of assesment for measuring some of the aims of CfE.
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Comments on Tony Rafferty Presentation
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Comments on Alison Stewart Presentation
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| General Comments on Objective Four - Parental Engagement
Home / Parent access to GLOW is essential going forward. However access would need to be secure and properly managed.
Agree, and also access to those, like me, who are neither in a school or a parent, with of course the appropriate controls. A lot of what goes in in say a Glow group is not particularly sensitive and in need of protection.
Home/Remote access to Glow is technically perfectly feasible and easily deliverable in a safe and secure manner.
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Comments on Kate Farrell Presentation
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Comments on Peter Dickman Presentation
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| General Comments on Objective Five - Hardware and Associated Infrastructure
When Glow was launched, Stephen Heppell said that perhaps it should have been called 'Glue' and not 'Glow' as it should be the backbone into which other tools, applications and services were stuck as appropriate and then unstuck when out of date. It's just a pity it has taken all this time to realise the truth of that. Hopefully, the future Glow will be a robust and fast backbone with a single sign on which will lead to whatever is stuck on to it at the time.
There appears to be a bit of a postcode lottery to what pupils can access – are we creating a digital divide?
A critical point from Peter Dickman was he retention of Federated Single Sign-on as provided by Shibolleth - this has to be retained along with the Interconnect as the critical elements of GLOW going forward.
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Comments of Trudi Sharp end remarks
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Comments (36)
Agnes Cosgrove said
at 10:16 am on Oct 14, 2011
Ho Ollie, at home and it seems to be ok, sound and lighting good. Not sure if Phl has logged on from Auckland yet.
Agnes Cosgrove, SCHOLAR Business Manager
Jen McDougall said
at 12:47 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Welcome to the ICT in Education Summit and thank you for joining us. We look forward to receiving your comments on the various objectives throughout the afternoon. The live webstream will start at 1.45pm.
Andrew Watt said
at 1:48 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Who is Trudi Sharp? What is her role?
Andrew Watt
Jen McDougall said
at 1:53 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Trudi Sharp is Deputy Director, Learning: Strategy and Leadership at The Scottish Government.
Jen McDougall said
at 2:00 pm on Oct 17, 2011
If you have any questions for Mike Russell you can add them in here.
Stephen Arnott said
at 2:03 pm on Oct 17, 2011
An API for adding content to GLOW would be really beneficial - lots of great content out there already.
Andrew Watt said
at 2:14 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Not just 'adding content to GLOW' but to add content to a properly structured learning repository that can be accessed thriough a variety of ways. The NAR is an embyonic example of how it could be done.
Andrew Watt
Jen McDougall said
at 2:04 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Thanks for this Stephen
Stephen Arnott said
at 2:25 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Unrestricted access may appear to be desirable, but in a real world situation controls are required
Andrew Watt said
at 3:00 pm on Oct 17, 2011
I agree, and a properly constructed repository allows differing level of controls for submitting materials, workflows through the repository for quality control, and controls on who and how it can be accessed.
Ian King said
at 2:44 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Controls should be in the hands of the class teacher no one else.
Andrew Watt said
at 3:28 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Ian, I was thinking of something that might be considered an 'example of good practice' that might be shared beyong the class acroos an authority, nationally or internationally, and in that case, at the very least you would want to check for copyright issues etc.
Stephen Arnott said
at 2:54 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Yes - there should enough flexibility for individual teacher control of content. However there is still a need for a centrally managed policy.
Andrew Watt said
at 2:30 pm on Oct 17, 2011
As part of the Cabibnet Secretary's wish to make Scotland's educational intranet more available I would endorse the final 'what we need to do' point about separating the school networks from LA networks.
Andrew Watt
Jen McDougall said
at 2:30 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Any more comments on Objective 1 as we will be moving on soon.
Stephen Bullock said
at 2:31 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Online Round Table Discussions:
1. Having read the contents of the wiki, and heard from our speakers today, are there any ‘what do we need to do’ points that we’ve missed?
2. Are there any ‘how are we going to do it’ points missed?
Andrew Watt said
at 2:34 pm on Oct 17, 2011
A lot of the problems with connection capacity is not the Interconnect to the LA but the LA's own internal systems. Maybe money needs to be directed there to enable pt 1 of the 'How will we do this,'
Andrew Watt
Ian King said
at 2:36 pm on Oct 17, 2011
With the condition that they actually spend it on the technology.
Jen McDougall said
at 2:49 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Objective 2 Improving Confidence
1. Having read the contents of the wiki, Google Docs and Twitter and heard from our speakers today, are there any ‘what do we need to do’ points that we’ve missed?
2. Are there any ‘how are we going to do it’ points missed?
Please post your comments here just now on Table 12.
Andrew Watt said
at 2:52 pm on Oct 17, 2011
The danger with this Objective is that the aim of education becomes 'to use ICT' and we forget it's actually about learning. Steven Grier didn't fall into this trap and gave some, albeit not very novel, examples of using ICT in the learning process.
Andrew Watt
Jen McDougall said
at 2:54 pm on Oct 17, 2011
We are moving on to Objective 3 now so feel free to add comments and thoughts here.
Jen McDougall said
at 3:07 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Please add you comments for Objective 3 here bearing in mind the following 2 questions-
1. Having read the contents of the wiki, Google Docs and Twitter and heard from our speakers today, are there any ‘what do we need to do’ points that we’ve missed?
2. Are there any ‘how are we going to do it’ points missed?
Andrew Watt said
at 3:08 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Promoting new behavious in teaching is very idealistic. But, despite the excellent aims of CfE, a secobndary teacher still has to get the kids through an exam, and will be judged on how well they perform in that very traditional form of assessment. If a teacher has methods and techniques that gets them through the exam there isn't much incentive to change.
Andrew Watt
Ian King said
at 3:26 pm on Oct 17, 2011
So we need to change the exams - Denmark has exams where candidates can access the Internet.
Andrew Watt said
at 3:45 pm on Oct 17, 2011
I agree, and even question whether exams are the correct form of assesment for measuring some of the aims of CfE.
Andrew Watt said
at 3:24 pm on Oct 17, 2011
With reference to the thrid 'what we need to do', I agree with the aim but the particular tool chosen to share pupil work and achievement must be one that is easy for most parents to use and at present I would suggest that excludes facfebook, Twitter etc. I have seen some excellent examples of commercial e-portfolios that allowed selective puiblishing, but the discussion now seems to be all about the so-called 'free' software tools.
Andrew Watt
Jen McDougall said
at 3:24 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Objective 4 is being discussed do you have anything to add?
1. Having read the contents of the wiki, Google Docs and Twitter and heard from our speakers today, are there any ‘what do we need to do’ points that we’ve missed?
2. Are there any ‘how are we going to do it’ points missed?
Stephen Arnott said
at 3:26 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Home / Parent access to GLOW is essential going forward. However access would need to be secure and properly managed.
Andrew Watt said
at 3:31 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Agree, and also access to those, like me, who are neither in a school or a parent, with of course the appropriate controls. A lot of what goes in in say a Glow group is not particularly sensitive and in need of protection.
Paul Cairns said
at 3:29 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Home/Remote access to Glow is technically perfectly feasible and easily deliverable in a safe and secure manner.
Jen McDougall said
at 3:42 pm on Oct 17, 2011
This is the last objective of this afternoon's agenda please make your views heard by commenting here bearing in mind the usual questions;
1. Having read the contents of the wiki, Google Docs and Twitter and heard from our speakers today, are there any ‘what do we need to do’ points that we’ve missed?
2. Are there any ‘how are we going to do it’ points missed?
Andrew Watt said
at 3:44 pm on Oct 17, 2011
When Glow was launched, Stephen Heppell said that perhaps it should have been called 'Glue' and not 'Glow' as it should be the backbone into which other tools, applications and services were stuck as appropriate and then unstuck when out of date. It's just a pity it has taken all this time to realise the truth of that. Hopefully, the future Glow will be a robust and fast backbone with a single sign on which will lead to whatever is stuck on to it at the time.
Andrew Watt
Stephen Arnott said
at 3:51 pm on Oct 17, 2011
There appears to be a bit of a postcode lottery to what pupils can access – are we creating a digital divide?
Paul Cairns said
at 3:51 pm on Oct 17, 2011
A critical point from Peter Dickman was he retention of Federated Single Sign-on as provided by Shibolleth - this has to be retained along with the Interconnect as the critical elements of GLOW going forward.
Jen McDougall said
at 3:56 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Many thanks to those of you who have joined us today. Comments made today at Stirling will be available here for you to read here in the Wiki soon.
Andrew Watt said
at 4:00 pm on Oct 17, 2011
Thanks Jen for facilitatiing this
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